1 Corinthians 8:6 – One God, One Lord; Deuteronomy 6:4

1 Corinthians 8:6 – But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.– World English

This scripture is very clear in saying that the Father is the “one God” of Christians. However, many who believe that Jesus is the only true God have found ways to make the scripture appear to be saying just the opposite of what it actually does say, so that they would claim that Jesus is also the “one God” of Christians. Some cross 1 Corinthians 8:6 with Deuteronomy 6:4, and thereby claim that Jesus is the “one Lord” spoken of in Deuteronomy 6:4. This line of argument highly depends on translations that change the holy name in Deuteronomy 8:6 to “the Lord,” or else assumes that every time “Lord” appears in the New Testament, that it refers to Jehovah (Yahweh) of the Old Testament.

See:
“Lord” in the New Testament
The Holy Name in the New Testament

The Holy Name in the Original Hebrew/Greek

Others claim that Deuteronomy 6:4 says that there is one Jehovah, but that this does not mean that Jehovah is not three persons. Notwithstanding, never does the one Jehovah say of Himself, We will do…, or we did…, etc. The default reasoning is that the one Jehovah is one person; the default reasoning does not call for us to imagine, assume and add to the scriptures that the one Jehovah is really three persons, all of whom are the one Jehovah. The Bible never says that the one Jehovah is three persons; you cannot find such a thought anywhere in the scriptures. The idea has to imagined, assumed, added to any and every scripture that is presented that is alleged to support the imagination.

1 Corinthians 8:4 Therefore concerning the eating of things sacrificed to idols, we know that there is no such thing as an idol in the world, and that there is no God but one.
1 Corinthians 8:5 For even if there are so-called gods whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords. — New American Standard.

Paul first refers to the idols to which sacrifices are made, and concerning these states that there are those that are so-called ‘gods’. An idol, of course, is nothing — it has no might, no power of its own; that which is made by the hands of men that is worshiped as “gods” “by nature are not gods.” (Galatians 4:8, ESV) By nature that which is made and formed by the hands men to which men make sacrifices has no “might” of itself to either cause harm are to cause good. (Psalm 115:4-8; 135:15-18; Isaiah 44:9-20) However, Paul, in harmony with the Old Testament, says that those who make offerings to such idol-gods are actually making offerings to demons, and not to the one true God. (Deuteronomy 32;17; Psalm 106:37; 2 Corinthians 10:20) These demons do have power, and are “by nature” mighty, but the man-made idol (gods) have no power, and thus, are not, by nature, mighty, and are certainly not the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

That there indeed are many “gods” –mighty ones — is affirmed by Jesus. (John 10:34-36) The “gods” that Jesus referred to are the “sons of God” to whom the Logos came, and who received him. (Psalm 82:1,6,7; John 1:10-12) These are not false gods; but neither are they the one true God, the Might of the universe. They are mighty (gods – el, elohim, theoi) because of the power and authority given to them by the one true Might. Nevertheless, even the demons have been given great might from the only true Might, and they have misused that might. As to the promises of demons, however, they are false gods, but as to their being, by nature, they are true gods, that is, they really do have power and might.

To “us”, that is, we who “who are sanctified in [by means of] Christ Jesus, called to be saints” (1 Corinthians 1:2), there is but one God — One who is the Supreme Being, the Might of the Universe. This one God is the God that is spoken of as the God — The Supreme Being — of Jesus, the one that Jesus speaks of as the only true God, the only true Supreme Being. (These references are to the World English Bible translation: Psalm 45:7; Micah 5:4; Matthew 27:46; Mark 15:34; John 17:3; 20:17; Romans 15:6; 2 Corinthians 1:3; 11:31; Ephesians 1:3,17; Hebrews 1:9; Revelation 1:6; 2:7; 3:2,12) Thus, the God and Father of Jesus is the “one God” — the one Supreme Being — that Paul speaks of in 1 Corinthians 8:6.

And yet, Paul is speaking relatively concerning ‘one lord’, for he had just stated that there are many lords. He is speaking of “one lord” over the church as appointed by God. We know that the God and Father of Jesus is the Supreme Lord of all, including being the Lord of the one whom he made “lord”. (Genesis 14:22; Deuteronomy 10:17; Psalm 7:17; 92:1; John 10:29; 17:3; Acts 2:36) Jesus is “our Lord” because of he has been made “lord” by the only Most High. (Acts 2:36) And yet, the fact is that there have been many who are truly “lords”, having been given some capacity as such all through the Bible. Do a search on biblestudytools.com for the word “lord” to verify this (to use this method effectively, you will need to ignore the the places where “lord” is substituted for the holy name).

Of course, even if Jesus had already been made “Lord” before becoming human, this does not mean that there never was a time when he was not Lord.

http://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/greek/kjv/kurios.html

For instance, when the Samaritan woman called Jesus “lord” as recorded in John 4:11,15, this was before she knew who Jesus was. In verse 19, she still addresses him as “Lord” as a prophet, evidently as the prophet like Moses. — Deuteronomy 18:15-19; Acts 3:13-26.

In John 5:7, we find that a sick man, who did not know who Jesus was, yet referred to him as “lord”.

In John 12:21, the word for “lord” is used of Philip. No one would think that Philip must be God because the title KURIOS was applied to him.

Bullinger gives the following instances in which Kurios is used in the Gospels of others than Jehovah or Jesus, and as being used with different shades of meaning:

With the Article (ho Kurios), emphasizing ownership. Occurs fourty-two times: twenty-one times in Matthew 10:24,25; 15:27; 18:25,27,31,32,34; 20:8; 21:40; 24:45,46,48,50; 25:18,19,21,21,23,23,26; twice in Mark 12:9; 13:35; sixteen times in Luke 12:36,37,42,43,45,46,47; 14:21,23; 16:3,5,5,8; 19:33; 20:13,15; three times in John 13:16; 15:15,20.

Without the Article (Kurios). Generally in courtesy, emphasizing superior relationship. Occ. Nineteen times. Rendered “Lord” fourteen times (Matthew 18:26; 25:11,11,20,22,24. Luke 13:8,25,25; 14:22; 19:16,18,20,25); “Master” twice (Matthew 6:24. Luke 16:13); “Sir” four times (Matthew 13:27; 21:30; 27:63. John 12:21).

To see Bullinger’s study on the word “Kurios” in the New Testament, see:
http://jesus-rlbible.com/?p=21

We do not necessarily agree with all of Bullinger’s conclusions.

Luke 2:11 – Jesus – “Christ the Lord”.

However, there is nothing in any of these scriptures or anyplace else in the entire Bible that means that Jesus is a person of the Supreme Being; the scriptures show that it was the only true Supreme Being who sent Jesus, and with whom Jesus was with before the only true Supreme Being made the world of mankind through Jesus. (John 1:3,10; 17:3, Acts 17:24) God, by means of his holy spirit, reveals through the scriptures that Jesus was sent by Jehovah, speaks for Jehovah, represents Jehovah, and was raised and glorified by the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Jesus never claimed to be, nor do the scriptures ever present Jesus as, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, whom Jesus represents and speaks for. — Deuteronomy 18:15-19; Matthew 22:32; 23:39; Mark 11:9,10; 12:26; Luke 13:35; 20:37; John 3:2,17,32-35; 4:34; 5:19,30,36,43; 6:57; 7:16,28; 8:26,28,38; 10:25; 12:49,50; 14:10; 15:15; 17:8,26; 20:17; Acts 2:22,34-36; 3:13,22; 5:30; Romans 15:6; 2 Corinthians 1:3; 8:6; 11:31; Colossians 1:3,15; 2:9-12; Hebrews 1:1-3; Revelation 1:1.

God, by means of his holy spirit, reveals through the scriptures that Jesus is son of the only Most High, Jehovah. Jesus is never spoken of as the “Most High”; he is not the only Most High Jehovah of whom he is the son. — Genesis 14:22; Psalm 7:17; 83:18; 92:1; Luke 1:32; John 13:16.

Although some present many scriptures to allegedly prove that Jesus is the Supreme Being, in reality what is presented as “proof” is actually the imaginations and assumptions of men that are placed over various scriptures so as to leave the impression that what has been imagined is supported by the scriptures. In other words, what the trinitarian, in effect, does is say: we *know* [actually, “imagine”] that God is three persons, thus, we believe that this scripture or that scripture supports what we “know” [imagine], and thus, because or what we “know” [imagine] to be true, what we “know” [imagine] is supported by this or that scripture. Their default assumption is that God is three persons, and they often fail think beyond that default assumption. Nevertheless, over and over in our studies on this and other sites, we have shown how this kind of circular reasoning, or a deal of human imagination, has to be used when they present their scriptures that are alleged to support the trinitarian dogma.

Summation Regarding 1 Corinthians 8:6; Deuteronomy 6:4:

There is only one Lord whom the Lord Jehovah, the “one God” who is the source of all, has anointed and made christ and lord, and through whom are all. — Isaiah 61:1; Acts 2:36; 1 Corinthians 8:6.

The “one Jehovah” of Deuteronomy 6:4 and Mark 12:29 is the “one God” of 1 Corinthians 8:6. The “one Lord” of 1 Corinthians 8:6 is NOT the “one Jehovah” of Deuteronomy 6:4; Mark 12:29.

The “one Jehovah” of Deuteronomy 6:4; Mark 12:29 is the God and Father of our Lord Jesus. — Exodus 3:14,15; Deuteronomy 8:15-19; Acts 3:13-26; Ephesians 1:3,17-23; Hebrews 1:1,2.

The following added March 13, 2016:

There are some who continue to insist that “one Lord” of 1 Corinthians 8:6 is the same “one Lord” of Deuteronomy 8:6. I will try to make this clearer:

Hear, O Israel, Jehovah* our God is one Jehovah*. — Green’s Literal
*Strong’s 3068
http://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/hebrew/nas/yehovah.html
(This incorrectly states that this name is “unpronunced except with the vowel pointings of 0136”.)

See the Masoretic Hebrew at:
http://qbible.com/hebrew-old-testament/deuteronomy/6.html

There is no form of any Hebrew word that means “lord” in Deuteronomy 6:4. Many misrepresent the Holy Name as meaning “lord”, but the Holy Name in Hebrew is an active verb that is used as though a noun, but it is not a titular noun.

Mark 12:29, Westcott & Hort Interlinear
apekrithee ho ieesous hoti prwtee estin akoue
ANSWERED THE JESUS THAT FIRST (ONE) IS BE HEARING,
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israeel kurios ho theos heemwn kurios heis estin
ISRAEL, LORD THE GOD OF US LORD ONE IS,
2474 2962 3588 2316 1473_8 2962 1520 1510_2

In Mark 12:29 we do not at all find the same phrase as is used in Deuteronomy 6:4, but we find that someone has changed the Holy Name of Deuteronomy 6:4 to a form of the Greek word transliterated above as kurios, which means, master, mister, sir, lord, ruler, etc. I have no doubt that Jesus did not change the Holy Name of his God to KURIOS, but that he used some form of the Holy Name when he spoke; he would not have changed the name of his God to something that does not even mean the same as expressed by the Holy Name. Indeed, if he did, then Deuteronomy 18:15-22 would suggest that he was not the promised prophet who was foretold to come in the name of Jehovah, and who was to speak the words of Jehovah, etc.

Deuteronomy 18:15-22, American Standard Version:

15 Jehovah thy God will raise up unto thee a prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken; 16 according to all that thou desiredst of Jehovah thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of Jehovah my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not. 17 And Jehovah said unto me, They have well said that which they have spoken. 18 I will raise them up a prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee; and I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. 19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him. 20 But the prophet, that shall speak a word presumptuously in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die. 21 And if thou say in thy heart, How shall we know the word which Jehovah hath not spoken? 22 when a prophet speaketh in the name of Jehovah, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which Jehovah hath not spoken: the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously, thou shalt not be afraid of him.

1 Corinthians 8:6, Westcott & Hort Interlinear
all heemin heis theos ho pateer ex hou ta
BUT TO US ONE GOD THE FATHER, OUT OF WHOM THE
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panta kai heemeis eis auton kai heis kurios ieesous
ALL (THINGS) AND WE INTO HIM, AND ONE LORD JESUS
3956 2532 1473_7 1519 0846_7 2532 1520 2962 2424
christos di hou ta panta kai heemeis di
CHRIST, THROUGH WHOM THE ALL (THINGS) AND WE THROUGH
5547 1223 3739 3588 3956 2532 1473_7 1223
autou
HIM.
0846_3

In 1 Corinthians 8:6, we do not find that KURIOS is being used as a replacement of God’s Holy Name, but it is applied to the only one whom the one Jehovah of Deuteronomy 6:4 has anointed and made lord for this special position; Jehovah, the “one God” of 1 Corintians 8:6, performs His work through this special channel whom He has made both Christ and Lord. (Psalm 2:26; 45:7; Isaiah 61:1; Ezekiel 34:23,24; John 10:29; 17:1,3; Acts 2:23,36; 4:27; 10:38; Hebrews 1:9). No one else occupies this special position of being this one lord through whom Jehovah speaks and performs His work. — Deuteronomy 18:18,19; John 3:34; 5:19; 6:38; 7:16,28,29; 8:28,38,40; 12:29; 14:10; 17:8; Acts 3:13-26; 1 Corinthians 8:6; Hebrews 1:1,2.

See also my study:

1 Corinthians 8:6 – One God, One Lord; Deuteronomy 6:4

The original of the above was prepared sometime before 2013; it was last updated and republished on November 2, 2014.

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15 comments to 1 Corinthians 8:6 – One God, One Lord; Deuteronomy 6:4

  • Born Again Christian

    1 Corinthians 8:4-6
    New King James Version (NKJV)
    4 Therefore concerning the eating of things offered to idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is no other God but one. 5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many gods and many lords), 6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.

    *The Father and the Son are the one God and one Lord that is being referred here in 1 Corinthians 8:6, here’s why:
    a) First, if you go up to verse 4 and 5, the idols are referring to pagan gods and lords. The gods are identical to lords in the pagan world, for example if Mars is the god of war, he would also be the lord of war. The gods and lords here are synonymous to each other. So even from the beginning of the passage, it is not talking of different god and different lord; the god and lord is synonymous and identical.
    b) Second, the Son is also God just like the Father (that is clear in the Scriptures). The Father is also Lord just like the Son (that is also clear in the Scriptures). So, the Father cannot be the only God and the Son cannot be the only Lord; but rather both of them is the one God and one Lord.
    c) Third, the used of conjunction “and” just like John 17:3, meaning that the one God and one Lord here is the Father and the Son.
    d) Fourth and finally, all things are also through God (Romans 11:32-36), because God is not only the Father. It is clear in the Scriptures that all things are from the Father, and all things are through the Son and Holy Spirit; so, it is correct to say that all things are from God and through God.
    Romans 11:32-36
    New King James Version (NKJV)
    32 For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all.
    33 Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and His ways past finding out!
    34 “ For who has known the mind of the LORD?
    Or who has become His counselor?”
    35 “ Or who has first given to Him
    And it shall be repaid to him?”

    36 For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen.

    • ResLight

      Born Again Christian
      Submitted on 2011/12/31 at 6:10 am

      1 Corinthians 8:4-6
      New King James Version (NKJV)
      4 Therefore concerning the eating of things offered to idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is no other God but one. 5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many gods and many lords), 6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.

      *The Father and the Son are the one God and one Lord that is being referred here in 1 Corinthians 8:6, here’s why:
      a) First, if you go up to verse 4 and 5, the idols are referring to pagan gods and lords. The gods are identical to lords in the pagan world, for example if Mars is the god of war, he would also be the lord of war. The gods and lords here are synonymous to each other. So even from the beginning of the passage, it is not talking of different god and different lord; the god and lord is synonymous and identical.

      1 Corinthians 8:4 Therefore concerning the eating of things sacrificed to idols, we know that there is no such thing as an idol in the world, and that there is no God but one.
      1 Corinthians 8:5 For even if there are so-called gods whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords.

      Paul first describes the idols, which he elsewhere stated are “by nature are no gods” (Galatians 4:8), as “so-called gods”. These idols have not might, thus they are not at all “gods”, even though one may call them “gods”. Then, after describing these idols, he goes on to say there are indeed many gods and many lords. He is not here referring to the idols, but to the various ones who are actual mighty ones or who have been given authority as a “lord”. The fact that an angel may be a god, and also a lord, however, does not mean that Paul is saying that both the Father and the Son are one God and also the one Lord being spoken of; this is sophistry of reasoning, and one has to twist and distort what Paul actually stated to make it appear to be other than what he actually stated.

      Born Again Christian
      Submitted on 2011/12/31 at 6:10 am

      b) Second, the Son is also God just like the Father (that is clear in the Scriptures).

      The Son is ideed just like the Father in that the Son always does what his God and Father says. The Son faithfully represents his God and Father; this does not mean that the Son is same being or shares the same sentiency as his God and Father. Jesus is not the source of all mighty (the Almighty), since his might is given to him.

      Born Again Christian
      Submitted on 2011/12/31 at 6:10 am

      The Father is also Lord just like the Son (that is also clear in the Scriptures).

      The Father is not the “one Lord” through whom are the all spoken of in 1 Corinthians 8:6. The Father is “Lord”. The Masoretes provide us with the form often transliterated as Adonai (or Adonay) which they sought to apply only to Yahweh (I do not say that their choices are always correct). Adonai is actual a plural intensive, which signfies a High Lord, or the Highest Lord, Supreme Lord. The Masoretic text uses this word in Isaiah 61:1 to describe the Lord Yahweh. Since the original Hebrew does not distinguish between Adonai (plural of Adoni) and Adoni (my lord), I cannot say for a certainty that this was actually originally used in Isaiah 61:1, but it certainly could have been. Regardless, Yahweh as “Lord” is greater than “Lord” as applied to Jesus, as can be seen by comparing “Lord” used of Yahweh in Isaiah 61:1 with the fact that Jesus has one who gives him his authority and power as can be seen from Psalm 45:7 and Hebrews 1:9. Jesus has one who is his superior, and thus “Lord” as appled to that superior one is indeed in a sense superior to “lord” as applied to Jesus.

      Born Again Christian
      Submitted on 2011/12/31 at 6:10 am

      c) Third, the used of conjunction “and” just like John 17:3, meaning that the one God and one Lord here is the Father and the Son.

      The conjunction “and” in John 17:3 actually distinguishes the only true God from the one whom the only true God sent.

      See:
      John 17:3 – Did Jesus Really Say That the Father is the only true God?
      http://jesus-rlbible.com/?p=440

      If, however, “and” continues to describe the original person, that person was the Father, which would mean that the Father Himself would be both the “one God” and “one Lord”, and therefore, that Jesus is the Father. Actually, however, “and” serves to distinguish the “one God” and His Son.

      Born Again Christian
      Submitted on 2011/12/31 at 6:10 am

      d) Fourth and finally, all things are also through God (Romans 11:32-36), because God is not only the Father. It is clear in the Scriptures that all things are from the Father, and all things are through the Son and Holy Spirit; so, it is correct to say that all things are from God and through God.
      Romans 11:32-36
      New King James Version (NKJV)
      32 For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all.
      33 Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and His ways past finding out!
      34 “ For who has known the mind of the LORD?
      Or who has become His counselor?”
      35 “ Or who has first given to Him
      And it shall be repaid to him?”

      36 For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen.

      The word “dia” is rarely used in the Bible as it is used in Romans 11:36; there is no contrast in Romans 11:36 as we find in 1 Corinthians 8:6. Only one person is being spoken of, and this person is singularly referred to as God throughout the letter to the Romans. (See: Romans 1:1-3,7-9; 2:16; 3:22-26; 5:1,2,8-11,15; 6:9,10,11,23; 7:25; 8:3,29,32,34,39; 10:9; 15:5-8; 16:27) Since, however, Romans 11:36 speaks of one person, to try to apply the application of Romans 11:36 to 1 Corinthians 8:6 would have Jesus as being one person with his God and Father.

      See also:
      http://reslight.boards.net/post/369

      Although 1 Corinthians 8:6 does not mention original creation, Robertson does point out the difference between dia in Romans 11:36 and 1 Corinthians 8:6, stating that in the latter “di autou (through him) point to Jesus Christ as the intermediate agent in creation as in Colossians 1:15-20; John 1:3.”
      See:
      http://jesus-rlbible.com/?page_id=5211

  • Born Again Christian

    I have over 100 proofs that the Father and the Son are one God, over 30 proofs that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are one God. The proofs and evidences in the bible about Trinity is overwhelmingly, yet I ask you to give me just one verse, only one verse that says that “the Father and the Son are two Gods”, and you cannot even give me at least one.

    • ResLight

      Born Again Christian
      Submitted on 2012/01/02 at 6:54 pm

      I have over 100 proofs that the Father and the Son are one God, over 30 proofs that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are one God. The proofs and evidences in the bible about Trinity is overwhelmingly, yet I ask you to give me just one verse, only one verse that says that “the Father and the Son are two Gods”, and you cannot even give me at least one.

      I have seen others present 100 or more “proofs” of the trinity doctrine; however, as one actually examines the “proofs” presented, the actual proofs are what is being imagined, assumed, added to, and read into the scripture. Not one of the scriptures ever presents any idea of a triune God.

      It is not I that has to supply a verse saying that there is no triune God; the defaul reasoning is that the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is one person or individual, nor more than one. I can and have supplied many scriptures that present the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as one person or individual, and that distinguish the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob from the one whom He sent forth.

    • ResLight

      I have over 100 proofs that the Father and the Son are one God, over 30 proofs that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are one God. The proofs and evidences in the bible about Trinity is overwhelmingly, yet I ask you to give me just one verse, only one verse that says that “the Father and the Son are two Gods”, and you cannot even give me at least one.

      In reality, there is no Biblical proof at all that Jesus and the only true God who sent Jesus are both the only true God. I have no reason to believe that there are two Gods, as that would seem to indicate two Supreme Beings. Having studies the alleged “evidences” of the trinity doctrine for several decades, I know that there is not any real scriptural evidence at all for the trinity doctrine. The only “evidence” ever submitted is what has to imagined, assumed, added to, and read into any and every scripture that is presented.

      The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, by means of his holy spirit, reveals through the scriptures that He Himself (Jehovah/Yahweh) is the only true God, the unipersonal God and Father of the Lord Jesus. Jesus has One who is the Supreme Being over him; Jesus is not his Supreme Being whom he worships, prays to, and who anointed and sent him, and whose will Jesus carried out in willful obedience. — Deuteronomy 18:15-19; Psalm 45:7; Isaiah 61:1; Matthew 4:4; Matthew 4:7; Matthew 4:10; Luke 4:4; Matthew 4:7; Matthew 4:10; Matthew 22:29-40; Matthew 26:42; Matthew 27:46; Mark 10:6; Mark 14:36; 15:34; Luke 4:8; Luke 22:42; John 3:34; 5:30; 6:38; 10:36; 17:1,3; 20:17; Romans 15:6; 2 Corinthians 1:3; 11:31; Ephesians 1:3,17; Philippians 2:8; Hebrews 1:9; 10:7; 1 Peter 1:3; Revelation 2:7; 3:2,12.

      Jehovah, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, is the only true Supreme Being who sent Jesus; Jesus speaks the words given to him from the only true Supreme Being. — Exodus 3:13,14; Deuteronomy 18:15-19; Isaiah 61:1; John 3:34; 5:19; 6:29; 7:16,28; 8:26,28,42; 10:36; 12:44-50; 14:10,24; 17:1,3,8; Acts 3:13-26; 1 Corinthians 8:6; Galatians 4:4; Hebrews 1:1,2; 1 John 4:9,10.

      It is the God and Father of Jesus who has made Jesus both Lord and Christ (Ezekiel 34:23,24; Isaiah 61:1,2; Acts 2:36), and has exalted him to the highest position in the universe, next to the only Most High.– Acts 2:33,36; 5:31; Philippians 2:9; Ephesians 1:3,17-23; 1 Corinthians 15:27; Hebrews 1:4; 1 Peter 3:22.

      The default reasoning is that Jesus is NOT Jehovah, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who sanctified and sent His son into the world of mankind. — Isaiah 61:1; John 3:17; 5:36,37; 6:38,57; 8:42; 10:36; 17:1,3; Romans 8:3; Galatians 4:4; 1 John 4:9-14.

  • Marc Taylor

    TDNT: Paul, then, does not make any distinction between theos and kurios as though kurios were an intermediary god; there are no instances of any such usage in the world contemporary with primitive Christianity” (3:1091, kurios – Foerster).

    Can you supply an instance in the world contemporary with primitive Christianity where there is a distinction between theos and kurios as though kurios were an intermediary god?

    • ResLight

      Marc Taylor
      Submitted on 2012/01/07 at 2:13 am

      TDNT: Paul, then, does not make any distinction between theos and kurios as though kurios were an intermediary god; there are no instances of any such usage in the world contemporary with primitive Christianity” (3:1091, kurios – Foerster).

      Can you supply an instance in the world contemporary with primitive Christianity where there is a distinction between theos and kurios as though kurios were an intermediary god?

      Since I do not claim that the word KURIOS means an intermediary god, the above actually presents a strawman argument. Jesus, however, as “one Lord through whom is the all” mentioned in 1 Corinthians 8:6, is, in effect, described there as an intermediary between the “one God” who is the source of the all and others. Paul does indeed make a distinction between the “one God of whom is the all” and the “one Lord through whom is the all.”

    • ResLight

      Marc Taylor Submitted:

      TDNT: Paul, then, does not make any distinction between theos and kurios as though kurios were an intermediary god; there are no instances of any such usage in the world contemporary with primitive Christianity” (3:1091, kurios – Foerster).

      Can you supply an instance in the world contemporary with primitive Christianity where there is a distinction between theos and kurios as though kurios were an intermediary god?

      See the study:
      “Lord” in the New Testament

  • Born Again Christian

    Give me a verse that says “the Father and the Son are two Lords”.

    • ResLight

      Born Again Christian
      Submitted on 2013/03/14 at 6:14 am

      Give me a verse that says “the Father and the Son are two Lords”.

      I cannot imagine any reason that any Bible author would have any reason to have stated such. Nevertheless, one can see that the Father and the Messiah are two different “lords” by comparing Isaiah 61:1 with Acts 2:36, 5:32,33; and even 1 Corinthians 8:6. The Lord Yahweh (Isaiah 61:1) is not same “Lord” as the Messiah.

    • ResLight

      Born Again Christian submitted:

      Give me a verse that says “the Father and the Son are two Lords”.

      Of course, there is no scripture that directly states that Jesus and his God are two different lords, nor would there be any reason to expect such a statement. The lack of such a statement does not mean that we need to imagine and assume that the only true God and the one sent by the only true God must then both be the only true God, since no scripture says that they two lords.

      Neverthelesss, Isaiah 61:1 expresses only “person” as being the Lord Jehovah; it is the “Lord Jehovah” of Isaiah 61:1 who anointed and sent Jesus, making him both Christ. (Acts 2:36) It is this same “Lord Jehovah” of Ezekiel 34:8 who speaks of setting David up as the “one shepherd” of the sheep and prince (ruler) of His people (Ezekiel 34:23,24), making him not only Christ, but also “Lord”. (Acts 2:36) No one makes the only true God to be “Lord”, but the Lord Jehovah does make the one whom He sent to be “Lord”. Thus, by comparison of the scriptures presented, we do find that Jehovah is one Lord, and that he made Jesus to be another “Lord”, but they are not the same “Lord”.

  • Sorry, it seems that I have forgotten to include the link in my initial comment. here it is: http://godomnipotent.wordpress.com/2011/01/01/on-christian-unitarianism-and-1-corinthians-86/

    “The Bible never says that the one Yahweh is three persons; you cannot find such a thought anywhere in the scriptures. The idea has to imagined, assumed, added to any and every scripture that is presented that is alleged to support the imagination.”

    Within the above link, I do also respond to a similar line of thinking so I would welcome a response to it as well if time permits.

  • THE WORK OF BELIEVING? BY STEVE FINNELL

    Is believing that Jesus is the Son of God something man does or something God does for man?

    John 6:28-29 Then they said to Him, “What shall we we do, that we may work the works of God?” 29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.” (NKJV)

    Jesus told them to believe in Him. Jesus did not tell them God would impute faith to them so they could believe.

    1 John 3:23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ….(NKJV)

    God commanded all to believe in Jesus Christ. God’s commandments are voluntary. God does not force anyone to believe and be saved.

    John 3:18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. (NKJV)

    Men have choice to believe or reject Jesus as the Son of God. Why would God condemn those who did not believe if they were not given the opportunity to believe?

    To be saved from the penalty of sin men must do the work of believing that Jesus is the Son of God.

    IF MEN REFUSED TO SEEK GOD THEN THEY WILL NOT BELIEVE IN HIS SON?

    Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him. (NKJV)

    God does not force salvation on any person.

    YOU ARE INVITED TO FOLLOW MY BLOG. http://steve-finnell.blogspot.com

    • ResLight

      Steve Finnell submitted:

      THE WORK OF BELIEVING? BY STEVE FINNELL

      This appears to be more related to the ransom and restoration of mankind than to this post. The salvation of the church and the salvation of the world are not exactly the same.
      See my study:
      Unbelievers Saved (Delivered) for Judgment in Last Day

      While one must believe in Jesus to be saved in this age in order to become members of the seed of Abraham, Jesus also will save — deliver — all mankind in the age to come from death when he raises them in the day of judgment. If only those who believe in this age are saved, and all else are condemned for eternity, then there would be no need for a future judgment day.
      See my studies related to:
      The Day of Judgment

      I will give some links to where the scriptures presented are discussed as related to salvation:

      John 6:28
      John 3:18

      Further discussion related to this may done on the various posts linked to.

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