Isaiah 9:6 – Father of Eternity

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Some render the phrase often transliterated as “Abi-ad” in Isaiah 9:6 as “Father of Eternity” rather than simply “eternal father” or “everlasting father”. As yet we have not seen any good explanation of what such a “name” would mean as opposed to the simple expression “eternal father”. As expressed in English, “Father of Eternity” would seem to indicate a belief that Jesus is in someway the one who brought eternity into being. One would have to define eternity and also how Jesus would be the Father, the life-giver, of Eternity, in order for such a rendering to make any sense. If it is thought to mean that Jesus is the source of eternity, and Jesus himself is eternal (which some have defined existing outside of time), then one would conclude that eternity did not exist until Jesus brought into existence, but this would, in effect, mean that Jesus himself did not exist, until Jesus, who would be non-existent without eternity, brought eternity into being so that Jesus could exist in this allegded idea of eternity, which, of course, is self-contradictory. Nevertheless, many insist that it should be rendered this way, and then claim that it proves that Jesus is “eternal”, having no beginning or end thus that he possesses this attribute that only belongs to Yahweh. As yet, we have not seen any explanation given that explains how the rendering “father of eternity” would support such a view as claimed.

One site states: “the Son is called the Father of eternity meaning he is eternal.” If this should be the case, then the simple expression “eternal father” or “everlasting father” would suffice. We do believe that Jesus is now eternal according the Hebrew usage of the word, and that Jesus could thus be said to be the eternal father, although we highly doubt that this is what is being referred to in Isaiah 9:6. Jesus, however, did become what we could refer to as “everlasting/eternal father” when he became the “life-giving spirit” as the last Adam. — 1 Corinthians 15:45.

It would appear, however, that by saying that “he is eternal” many claim that Jesus had no beginning, that he has always existed. Many add the thought to the scripture that it means that he existed “in eternity outside of time.” No such thought, however, can be found in the scriptures, without reading such into the scriptures.

One claims that “Father of Eternity” means that Jesus created eternity, and thus Jesus is the Creator who created the heavens and earth in Genesis 1:1. Colossians 1:16 and Hebrews 1:2,10 are often cited as proof that Jesus is the creator. As yet, we have seen no explananation of how eternity existed before eternity was created.

Regarding Genesis 1:1 and Colossians 1:16, see:

In the Beginning
Beginnings in the Bible
Is Jesus Designated the Originator of Creation?

Another claims that Jesus is the Father of Eternity, because Jesus is the Father of everlasting life. If one views this as meaning the Jesus is the regenerator of everlasting life, we could agree with this; however, if one would claim that Jesus is the ultimate source of everlasting life, we could not agree with that, since only the God and Father of Jesus is the ultimate source of all. — Romans 6:10; 1 Corinthians 8:6; 2 Corinthians 13:4.

One should note the singular “name” to be given in Isaiah 9:6 does not apply until sometime after Jesus is given to Israel (Matthew 1:23; Luke 1:32), after he is born to Israel as a son to whom is to be given the dominion (Luke 1:32; Ephesians 1:15-21), which dominion Daniel says is also given to the saints, who become joint-heirs with Jesus. (Daniel 7:27; Romans 8:17; 1 Corinthians 6:2) It is not a name given to him in his prehuman existence, so even if the expression “everlasting father” is applied to him, it would not have been so in any sense of his having no beginning.

Jesus was not actually eternal, however, until the only true God (John 17:1,3) had raised him from the dead, else he could not have died for our sins. Nor is there anything in the Bible about Jesus’ possessing two alleged states of being at once (alleged dual natures or hypostatic union). It is only since he was raised, that the one called “the first and the last” in Revelation 1:17,18; 2:9, “dies no more.” As such, however, his being eternal relates only to an eternal future, not to an alleged eternal past. — Romans 6:9.

On the other hand, the entire meaning of the name of Isaiah 9:6 can be rendered many different ways, with the recognition that EL GIBBOR does not necessarily mean “Mighty God” as that term is usually used in English. The same phrase (in plural form) appears in Ezekiel 32:21, yet we don’t know of any translation that renders the phrase there as Mighty God, or Mighty Gods. Most translations render the phrase in Ezekiel 32:21 as something like “the strong among the mighty”.

The Singular Name

More than likely, however, the singular name Pelejoezelgibborabiadsarshalom was never meant to be rendered as a series of names (plural) or titles, as we find it most translations. This singular name is given to the Messiah by the God and Father of the Messiah (2 Corinthians 11:31; Ephesians 1:3; 1:17; 1 Peter 1:3), Yahweh (Jehovah). (Isaiah 9:7) As a singular name, it is describing the God and Father of Messiah, and not Messiah himself. Contrary to what many may think, Jesus came, not to preach himself, but to declare and make known the only true God who had sent him, and to provide the means to bring people back into harmony with the unipersonal God who had sent him. (Matthew 10:40; 11:27;  Mark 9:37; Luke 9:48; 10:16; John 1:18; 4:34; 5:30,36; 6:38,39,44; 7:16,18,28; 8:26,29,42; 9:4; 12:44,49; 14:24; 17:3,6,8,26; 2 Corinthians 4:6; 1 John 4:10; 5:20) As singular name, it has been given the meaning: “Wonderful in counsel is God the Mighty, the everlasting Father, the Ruler of peace.” It thus illustrates that the Messiah, the one anointed by Yahweh, does all things to the glory and honor of his God and Father. — Luke 19:38; John 5:30; 8:28,49; 15:15; 17:18; Philippians 2:11; 1 Peter 1:21.

Messiah means “anointed one”. It corresponds with the word that most know as “Christ”. The Messiah was anointed by the only true God. The Messiah never has been, nor will be he ever be, the only true God who sent him, and who anointed him. — Psalm 2:2; 45:7; Isaiah 61:1; John 17:1,3,5; Acts 2:36; 4:27; 10:38.

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The Singular Name

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15 comments to Isaiah 9:6 – Father of Eternity

  • Born Again Christian

    “eternal father” or “everlasting father”
    father here means “origin” or “source”
    eternal here means “no beginning or end”
    The Son is called “eternal father” because he is an eternal being who is the source and origin of all things.

  • APA

    For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us;
    And the government will rest on His shoulders;
    And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
    ETERNAL FATHER, Prince of Peace. (Isaiah 9:35).

    I am no longer in the world; and yet they themselves are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep them IN YOUR NAME, THE NAME WHICH YOU HAVE GIVEN ME, that they may be one even as We are ONE. While I was with them, I was keeping them IN YOUR NAME WHICH YOU HAVE GIVEN ME; and I guarded them and not one of them perished but the son of perdition, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled. (John 17:1-12).

    The Lord will become king over all the earth; on that day the Lord will be one and his NAME ONE. (Zechariah 14:9).

    so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, of those who are in HEAVEN (ONENESS OF FATHER AND SON IN HEAVEN) and on earth and under the earth. (Philippians 2:10).

    “I and the Father are ONE.” (John 10:30).

    Jesus is the RADIANCE of Father’s glory and the EXACT representation of Father’s nature. (Hebrews 1:3).

    I saw no temple in the city, for the Lord God Omnipotent [Himself] and the Lamb [Himself] are its temple. And the city has no need of the sun nor of the moon to give light to it, for the splendor and RADIANCE (GLORY) of God illuminate it, and the Lamb is its LAMP(LIGHT). (Revelation 21) . RADIANCE comes from LIGHT, Body of Christ is the Light and The Radiance which represents Father, comes from that BODY. Son becomes Eternal Father in his Second coming as Spirit of God prophesied through Isaiah.

    Jesus said, “For the Son of Man is going to come in the GLORY(RADIANCE) of His Father with His angels, and WILL THEN REPAY EVERY MAN ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS. (Matthew 16:27).

    [Now] He is the exact likeness of the unseen God [the VISIBLE representation of the INVISIBLE]; He is the Firstborn of all creation.

    For it has pleased [the Father] that all the DIVINE FULLNESS (COMPLETE GLORY OF FATHER IN JESUS), (LIVING TABERNACLE), (the sum total of the divine perfection, powers, and attributes) should dwell in Him permanently. (Colossians 1:19).

    THUS JESUS IS ETERNAL FATHER, ANYONE WANTS TO SEE FATHER, HAVE TO CALL JESUS AS FATHER, SINCE HE IS VISIBLE, WE WILL SEE JESUS IN SECOND COMING.

    • ResLight

      For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us;
      And the government will rest on His shoulders;
      And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
      ETERNAL FATHER, Prince of Peace. (Isaiah 9:35).

      Better rendered as the JPS:
      5 For a child is born unto us, a son is given unto us; and the government is upon his shoulder; and his name is called Pele-joez-el-gibbor-Abi-ad-sar-shalom.

      The “name: is not a series of names or titles
      Isaiah 9:6 – Not a Series of Names
      Isaiah 9:6 – The Mighty God, The Everlasting Father
      Isaiah 9:6 – The Singular Name of the Son Given
      Isaiah 9:6 and the Alleged Trinity

    • ResLight

      I am no longer in the world; and yet they themselves are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep them IN YOUR NAME, THE NAME WHICH YOU HAVE GIVEN ME, that they may be one even as We are ONE. While I was with them, I was keeping them IN YOUR NAME WHICH YOU HAVE GIVEN ME; and I guarded them and not one of them perished but the son of perdition, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled. (John 17:1-12).

      In John 17:1,3, Jesus identified his God and Father as being the only true God. “Which you have given” me refers to “them” — not to “name”. Those whom the only true God has given to Jesus, Jesus kept these in the name of his Father who had sent him.

      In context, Jesus is speaking of those whom the only true God has given to him. Some translators add a lot to what Jesus said in John 17:11,12 to make it appear that Jesus was speaking of the only true God as having given the name of the only true God to Jesus, evidently with the thought that this would mean that Jesus is the only true God.

      11 And [now] I am no more in the world, but these are [still] in the world, and I am coming to You. Holy Father, keep in Your Name [ [fn]in the knowledge of Yourself] those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We [are one]. 12 While I was with them, I kept and preserved them in Your Name [ [fn]in the knowledge and worship of You]. Those You have given Me I guarded and protected, and not one of them has perished or is lost except the son of perdition [Judas Iscariot—the one who is now doomed to destruction, destined to be lost], that the Scripture might be fulfilled. — Amplified Version.

      Now I am departing from the world; they are staying in this world, but I am coming to you. Holy Father, you have given me your name; now protect them by the power of your name so that they will be united just as we are.[12] During my time here, I protected them by the power of the name you gave me. I guarded them so that not one was lost, except the one headed for destruction, as the Scriptures foretold. – (John 17:11-12, New Living Translation).

      See also the studies:
      The Holy Name in the New Testament
      Is Jesus the Name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit?

    • ResLight

      The Lord will become king over all the earth; on that day the Lord will be one and his NAME ONE. (Zechariah 14:9).

      And Jehovah shall be King over all the earth. In that day there shall be one Jehovah, and His name one. – (Zechariah 14:9, Green’s Literal)

      Today, Jehovah’s name is misrepresented in many ways, making it appear that His name, that is, who He is, is actually more than one. In that day, the millennial day, everyone will be taught the ways of Jehovah (Isaiah 2:2-4), and His name — his reputation — will be one. Because most translations change God’s Holy Name here to “the LORD”, many think that this verse is referring to the “one Lord” of 1 Corinthians 8:6, when actually it is speaking of the God and Father of Jesus, the source of all. Jehovah will be King over all the earth through Jesus, just as Jehovah was king over Israel, even though there were kings who were supposed to be representing Jehovah. — 1 Chronicles 29:23; Jeremiah 3:17; Isaiah 43:15.

      See the study:
      One God, One Lord

    • ResLight

      APA Submitted:

      so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, of those who are in HEAVEN (ONENESS OF FATHER AND SON IN HEAVEN) and on earth and under the earth. (Philippians 2:10).

      Philippians 2:9 For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name,
      Philippians 2:10 so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
      Philippians 2:11 and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

      Here “God” is being depicted, not as three persons, but as one person, and is distinguished from Jesus. There is nothing in the verses that mean that Jesus is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The scripture does say that “at the name of Jesus” every knee will bow, but his is “to the glory of God the Father”, “the only true God” (John 17:1,3), the “one God” of those who believe in Christ.

      See:
      The Unipersonal God Exalted Jesus
      Jesus Received Worship
      Humility of Mind

    • ResLight

      APA Submitted:

      “I and the Father are ONE.” (John 10:30).

      Jesus and the only true God are indeed one; and Jesus prayed to the only true God (John 17:1,3) for his followers to have the same oneness with himself and the only true God.

      See studies related to John 10:30 at:
      http://jesus.rlbible.com/?page_id=5322

    • ResLight

      APA Submitted:

      Jesus is the RADIANCE of Father’s glory and the EXACT representation of Father’s nature. (Hebrews 1:3).

      God in Hebrews 1:1 refers to only one person and Jesus is being excluded from being “God” — the Supreme Being.

      “And He [the Son — Hebrews 1:2] is the radiance of His [God’s — Hebrews 1:1] glory.” (NASB) “who [Jesus] being the effulgence of his [Yahweh’s] glory.” (ASV) “who [Jesus] being the brightness of His [Yahweh’s] glory” (NKJV) “The Son reflects God’s own glory.” (NLT) “He [Jesus] is the reflection of God’s glory.” (NRSV) “He [Jesus] reflects the brightness of God’s glory” (TEV) “His glory” refers back to the unipersonal “God” who is being spoken of in the verse one and two, thus rather than being included as being the Supreme Being, the son of the Supreme Being is being excluded from being the Supreme Being.

      Jesus is the effulgence of God’s glory, and thus the shining forth of the glory of God is through Jesus, who is the image of God; rather than proving that Jesus is the Supreme Being, this verse is further proof that Jesus is not Supreme Being. — John 17:1,3; 1 Corinthians 4:6; 2 Corinthians 4:4; Colossians 1:15; John 1:5,7.

      Jesus, while in the days of his flesh, truthfully and faithfully represented his God and Father (Deuteronomy 18:15-22; Matthew 22:32; 23:39; Mark 11:9,10; 12:26; Luke 13:35; 20:37; John 3:2,17,32-35; 4:34; 5:19,30,36,43; 6:57; 7:16,28; 8:26,28,38; 10:25; 12:49,50; 14:10; 15:15; 17:8,26; 20:17; Acts 2:22,34-36; 3:13-26; 5:30; Romans 15:6; 2 Corinthians 1:3; 8:6; 11:31; Ephesians 1:3; Colossians 1:3,15; 2:9-12; Hebrews 1:1-3; Revelation 1:1), and thus one, if they had spiritual eyes to see, could “see” the only true God in the works and words of Jesus. We today, have those words and works recorded for us in the Bible, and thus, by reading the Bible, if we have spiritual eyes to “see”, we may “see” God’s image and God’s glory in Jesus.

      See:
      Seeing the Father in Jesus
      Jesus as the Brightness of Yahweh

    • ResLight

      APA Submitted:

      [Now] He is the exact likeness of the unseen God [the VISIBLE representation of the INVISIBLE]; He is the Firstborn of all creation.

      This is Colossians 1:15:
      who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.

      Jesus is not now “visible” to us; we do not see him walking around on earth today; we cannot “see” him with our physical eyes, except that he should appear in some form that we may be able to “see” him. We can “see” him as the image of the invisible God in the things recorded about him as revealed in the Bible.

      “God” in Colossians 1 refers to only one individual, and that is the God and Father of Jesus. Jesus is the image, the representation, of that unipersonal “God”.

      See the studies related to Colossians 1:15:
      http://jesus.rlbible.com/?tag=colossians-115

  • Berean

    Jesus was not actually eternal, however, until the only true God (John 17:1,3) had raised him from the dead, else he could not have died for our sins. Nor is there anything in the Bible about Jesus’ possessing two alleged states of being at once (alleged dual natures or hypostatic union). It is only since he was raised, that the one called “the first and the last” in Revelation 1:17,18; 2:9, “dies no more.” As such, however, his being eternal relates only to an eternal future, not to an alleged eternal past. — Romans 6:9.

    Wrong!

    Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

    • ResLight

      There is nothing in John 17:5 that would mean anything quoted is wrong. Jesus was certainly with the only true God (John 17:1,3; 1 Corinthians 8:6) before God created the world of mankind through Jesus. (John 1:1-3,10) For more related to this, see;
      http://jesus-rlbible.com/?p=669

  • Berean

    Mass, Energy, Time and Space were created simultaneously. Time can only exist in the presence of Mass and Energy as the progress of Time can only be “recorded” because of the increase in Entropy (disorder). We could make the case that Kosmos Strong’s #G2889 means “order” as much as “world.” And creation caused “order” to exist.

    If the Son had glory with the Father before the world was (John 17:5) then it follows that He existed before “order” and thus before “time” came into existence. Therefore, He was already there in Eternity.

    • ResLight

      Yes, Jesus did indeed exist before the beginning of Genesis 1:1 and John 1:1 when the order of things upon earth was placed. So did the “sons of God” that are spoken of in Job 38:4-7. While the Bible never speaks of time coming existence, to say that one existed before time came into existence would be a self-contradiction, since it would mean that there was time before time came into existence. Nevertheless, there is nothing in the fact that Jesus existed before the world of mankind came into existence that would mean that Jesus existed in eternity past. For more related to God’s creation through Jesus, see:
      http://jesus-rlbible.com/?page_id=5211

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